Choyoołʼįįhí bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ:Stephen G. Brown
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- 1 Niłchiis
- 2 check this out...
- 3 SOPA bee hazʼáanii
- 4 Rankings
- 5 heads up
- 6 Re:
- 7 @wikt
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- 9 Africa
- 10 Is editing disabled generally here?
- 11 Choyoołʼįįhí:Trx...
- 12 see...
- 13 ?
- 14 Diné binaʼnitin
- 15 Reverted Edits???
- 16 tell me...
- 17 Upload files, Upload Wizard?
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So you can kill the wolverine in wiktionary; I just realized that it's a true noun in Athabaskan languages. I'm gonna use that. Also, when a bird's name is an onomatopoeia, it's acceptable to just import it since there are already quite a few of'em (gáagii, ąąʼąʼii, chʼagii, etc), so I'm gonna do that. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 06:39, 1 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
- Okay. (I guess you mean import from other languages like Dziłghą́ʼiʼ bizaad, not import from other wikis.) —Stephen (> haneʼ) 10:50, 1 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
- right. I'm going far North and build it from Proto-Athabaskan nəłčwis, which seems to have no "analizable" meaning/seems to be one morph (Found it in some obscure paper). Oh, by import I mean, as I did for the hoopoe - did you recognize it? For almost all languages, it's the sound it makes. :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 11:03, 1 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
check this out...
...the Department of Labor is getting over its Manifest Destiny/Kill the Savage-Languages-attitude. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 12:42, 5 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
SOPA bee hazʼáanii
So it looks like en.wikipedia is gonna have some banner or something like that to protest SOPA on Wednesday (18th). Since we're the only other US-audience-wikipedia (the other 3 are dead), we should maybe display something as well. (not that a whole lotta people would pay attention, but nonetheless...) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 03:33, 15 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
- I think it’s a good idea to put something up. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 08:08, 15 Yas Niłtʼees 2012 (UTC)
- Moved to bitłʼóół. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 07:14, 21 Atsá Biyáázh 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I got this confused. I was thinking of tłʼóół, not -tłʼóól. Is bitłʼóól the same thing as tłʼóół? —Stephen (> haneʼ) 08:57, 21 Atsá Biyáázh 2012 (UTC)
There's a proposal to disable local uploads for small wikis due to copyright-vios (of course, en.wiki will be allowed to continue with their massive violations...); there's basically some "auditing" going on, right now. Seems like we get an overall good grade. Nonetheless, I'll go through all our files again over the next few days. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 00:42, 14 Tʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hope they don’t intend to cripple all small wikis on the basis of what a few do. BTW, what is "yaadilah"? Yaadilah óolyé seems to mean something like "oh, dear," but I can’t make sense of yaadilah. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 02:27, 14 Tʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
Afaik you can overwrite some text via mediawiki namespace. But still I'm not confortable with changing userpages of other users unless they have unlegit contents. You may point babel should be translated into the local language and I'll support your point everywhere, but, anyway, you cannot force users to use a certain (actually deprecated) kind of babel instead of another one. --Vituzzu (talk) 00:06, 18 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
- We do not change, delete, or add any information, we only convert an incomprehensible template to a standard one that is understandable for our readers. We do not force users to use a certain kind of babel box...if a user really wants his babel box to be a mystery, he is welcome to change it back (but nobody ever has). You’re the first to complain about this policy. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 00:14, 18 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
I think you need to give the 2nd meaning of ayání. The first meaning is "buffalo" (origin unknown, no alternative forms); the second meaning is "eater" (nominalized ayą́+í), alternative form ayáanii... Otherwise the giraffe and the other stuff doesn't make much sense. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 21:40, 20 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
- Okay. I thought it must be related to eating, but I couldn’t see the connection with the meaning of buffalo. So the buffalo sense is a separate etymology then.
- By the way, what about the word bílaʼashdlaʼiʼ with a lowtone -iʼ at the end? Shouldn’t that be bílaʼashdlaʼí or bílaʼashdlaʼii? I want to make sure before I change them. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 12:50, 21 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
...and here's a weird thing in my sandbox: ƛʼo·léʼ... cv́ʼ is extremely rare. I wonder if the guy just kept running around asking people "what's this? what's that?"... and nobody really knew... it sounds almost like '"tłʼoh léiʼ átʼé..." (~that's some sorta grass). :P Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 16:10, 21 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
- That’s what it looks like. That apparently happened quite a lot. I think there are a number of names of animals and places in America and Oceania that mean something like "I don’t understand." Yucatán got its name when the Mayans probably told the Spaniards "ma’anaatik ka t’ann" (I don’t understand you). And lots of times an explorer would ask one people that he had made contact with what the name of the next tribe over was, and the answer was often "the enemy." Or when Captain Cook first met the Nuu-chah-nulth tribe and tried to ask who they were, the Nuu-chah-nulth responded with "itchme nutka" (you’re on an island), so he named the tribe "Nootka" (which just means "go around"). —Stephen (> haneʼ) 16:35, 21 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
- I must have been falling asleep ... somehow I didn’t even see the word chį́į́h. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 11:47, 30 Yaʼiishjáástsoh 2012 (UTC)
If you care about the correctness of entries @wiktionary, you must keep an eye on the supposedly "derived terms" this IP blindly and brainlessly spams onto the page (just one example). Pavlov's dog flipping a coin could do a better job. It is obvious that the user a) doesn't know any Navajo at all, and b) is too stupid to learn. It's one thing to just be a pest. It's another when the entries get messed up. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 18:37, 7 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I’ve been trying, not very successfully, to get the point across that his edits are often off the mark and that he shouldn’t be making edits like this until he knows a lot more about the language. He’s persistent, though. One of his short-sighted ideas is that every multiple-word term should be linked to from every entry that contains any one of the words used, and, since he doesn’t know any better, he uses a shotgun approach and calls all terms that share any word "derived terms" of each other. I think that he will eventually give up and find a new hobby, and then it will be easy to search for Navajo entries that contain a "derived terms" section and just delete them. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 01:45, 8 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
therefore, btw... naalkaah should have as first definition inspection of, examination of. as opposed to naʼalkaah investigation, research (no change needed). Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:35, 12 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- not really; one should use the 2nd one. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 00:33, 23 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
Is editing disabled generally here?
I am here to add an interwiki to a page and I cannot.
I am a Master Editor III in English (70,000+ edits across 200+ projects). My niece is half-Navajo.
In Canada, Varlaam (talk) 22:50, 27 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- No, it isn’t disabled. Perhaps the page was protected for some reason. What page was it? —Stephen (> haneʼ) 22:55, 27 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- I have only the vaguest recollection of what that means.
- I am pretty much a plain vanilla defaults person. And I would never have modified my preferences here at nvwiki.
- I am seeing a much prettier WP than normal, with a nice blanket (textile) pattern over on the left.
- I can't edit my own user page.
- Sorry. I have to scoot for about a hour. But I'll check again then.
- Thanks, Varlaam (talk) 23:12, 27 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- Now that you mention it, this rings a bell. We suffered a spate of vandalism last year and I think the vandalism originated out of Canada. I seem to remember that Canadian IPs were all blocked somehow. I could be wrong about the details. I don’t know how IP blocking is accomplished and I don’t remember who did it, but it’s my guess that that is what is happening. You might ask Seb az86556...he knows a lot more about programming and technical stuff. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 23:20, 27 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, the same thing just now occurred to me, too. I don’t see how it would have any effect on a user with a registered name. There is another possibility. I notice that Varlaam has a 3-month block on English Wikipedia for edit warring. Is it possible that they gave him some sort of global block, so that it affects him on every wiki? If that’s it, I think he still has a month to go before his block is up. Just a thought. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 00:53, 28 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- I'm back.
- About my "warring", so-called, I made the mistake of correcting some POV in a WWI article which happened to be related to Ireland, and articles related to Ireland are subject to a 1RR instead of a 3RR policy. Who knew.
- The admin I have never heard of gave me a 3 month instead of the 3 day which would have been overkill even at 3 days, since I was removing POV, not adding it.
- Anyway, no such animal as a global block to my knowledge. Whilst blocked in enwiki, I have been awarded privileges in 3 other wikis. It is good to be a polyglot.
- Varlaam (talk) 01:46, 28 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
- (I have my mug of tea.)
- Status report: Unchanged. This page has 2 tabs at the top. Alt-e fails. I can edit a section.
- My own home page has no sections. It has the same 2 tabs at the top.
- This is my newish, less than 1 year, VAIO laptop. Piece o' junk.
- The NIC on my old PC is dying; I will see if I can replicate this matter there.
- (My degree is in engineering.)
- Going to the PC ...
- Not surprised. Some of the British admins can be pretty anal. I try to avoid them. If you go into your PREFERENCES (should be at the very top of the page, in Navajo Siłkidígíí), you can change the language from Navajo to English. You might see where the problem is if you can see the tabs in English. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 17:25, 28 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2012 (UTC)
Looks to me like somebody's using this as a gateway. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 15:24, 17 Ghąąjįʼ 2012 (UTC)
- What is a gateway? —Stephen (> haneʼ) 00:09, 18 Ghąąjįʼ 2012 (UTC)
- We used to have a page for suggesting new entries, but I could not find it. These are names that I found (except for Distichlis spicata, saltgrass...I was asking for its name because I could not find it). We already have a page for one of them under a different name, but I didn’t want to make a redirect until I was reasonably sure it was correct. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 04:55, 1 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. So it means more like vine rather than any specific plant. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 06:18, 1 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2013 (UTC)
- So, naʼatłʼoʼii came before naʼatłʼoʼ? And naʼatłʼoʼ is derived from naʼatłʼoʼii? —Stephen (> haneʼ) 07:45, 1 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2013 (UTC)
- ? no. This made it look like the plant's name is "cat's cradle plant". This is now correct. Naʼatłʼoʼ simply means intertwined/twisted/tangled; cat's cradle is only a secondary meaning. (like in English you play "catch"; but the primary meaning of the word catch is not the game) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:41, 1 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2013 (UTC)
- So, naʼatłʼoʼii came before naʼatłʼoʼ? And naʼatłʼoʼ is derived from naʼatłʼoʼii? —Stephen (> haneʼ) 07:45, 1 Yaʼiishjááshchilí 2013 (UTC)
- On the expression of modality in Navajo
- The Function and Signification of Certain Navajo Particles
- Da: the Navajo Distributive Plural Preverb
I'm writing you as an amin on the Navajo wikipedia. Do you know if there are any special requirements to edit on the Navajo wikipedia that do not exist on the other wikipedias? I made a series of edits on articles relating to US Presidents, and within a day every edit I made was completely reverted by Seb az86556 (who happens to be the only other active admin as I'm sure you're aware). I'd really like to know why. I asked on that user's talk page, because I don't want to get into a potential editing war if I try to remake some of those edits, and last night rather than answer the question, he deleted everything on his talk page, including my question and all previously archived material.
As far as my credentials go, I'm not a bot and have never used one. I am an auto-confirmed member across all of the linked Wikipedia projects (and have been so since 2006), though I probably don't have more that 500 edits cumulative across all projects. I don't have an active user page across all projects on which I've made edits, but if that is what is required here I can easily make one. (Reading the Navajo Wikipedia guidelines it appears that is only required for bots, and there are no restrictions on editing for even anonymous users except for the standard rules for protected pages and such). I have never been accused of vandalism, blocked, or had edits reversed (though I have obviously had edits that were subject to subsequent edits and improvements). My Navajo language skills are not great, but I'm working on them, and I specifically chose to make edits that do not require any ability to write prose, as I am not confident in that ability. This was the first time I've ever made edits on Navajo Wikipedia.
Basically I had three types of edits.
I first tried making a template for US Presidents. I called the template Bee álnééhí:Wááshindoon Bikéyah Ałhidadiidzooígíí Hastiin alą́ąjįʼ dahsidáhígíí and based it on the Naabeehó template. I then linked it to the US Presidents template, as it is a common template found across most language wikipedias. I'm not great at making templates, but I think the finished product looked about as good as the Naabeehó template. The only problem I could see with it was the title. I tried to follow the convention as it appeared on the US President article pages already, but I actually think Bee álnééhí:Wááshindoon Bikéyah Ałhidadiidzooígíí alą́ąjįʼ dahsidáhígíí or Bee álnééhí:Wááshindoon Alą́ąjįʼ Dahsidáhígíí would have been better titles.
I then added my template to the eight article pages that currently exist for US Presidents, as there is no way to link most of them and they are hard to find beacuase of the title at the beginning of their names on the article pages. This did generate an error with the DEFAULTSORT function that I don't know how to fix.
Finally I added a keyword link going from Wááshindoon Bikéyah Ałhidadiidzooígíí to Barack Obama. This last edit seems the most basic and uncontroversial, as some of the most prominent pages that link to Obama are Indoníízha and Gáagii dinéʼiʼ, and he is only marginally tied to those subjects, so adding a link to the Wááshindoon Bikéyah Ałhidadiidzooígíí page makes more sense and makes Obama easier to find.
All of my edits were made in good faith, so I don't know why they were reverted completely. My understanding is edits should only be reverted when they are suspected of being vandalism. I would like to reinstate the edits, especially the simple link for Obama, but again, I don't want an editing war if they are all going to be reverted. Please let me know if there was a reason for their reversal so I can avoid the mistake in the future.
- Yes, I know your edits were in good faith. Seb az86556 tends to be rather protective, and I don’t actually know what’s going on with him right now. Deleting his talk page and archives is something I’ve never seen before. Maybe he’s just busy on some job and was frustrated by the interruptions.
- I’m sure Seb az86556 would prefer if only native Diné made edits here. I’m not sure that’s a reasonable expectation. The only real problem that I saw with your edits was the DEFAULTSORT error ... I did not bother to look at it because Seb az86556 is much better with templates. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 22:52, 12 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2013 (UTC)
- I understand his desire for having only native speakers do the editing (a similar sentiment has frequently been expressed on the English wikipedia whenever someone from India or the Philippines makes an edit with less than perfect grammar, though these complaints are almost always made in poor taste), but given the mission and crowd-sourcing nature of Wikipedia I do think this is an unreasonable expectation. So I guess the question is how do I gain a level of trust to perform edits without having them immediately reverted or getting into an edit war? Any suggestions? Vojen (talk) 23:56, 12 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2013 (UTC)
- I don’t really have any good suggestions. I don’t think his concern is so much the less-than-perfect grammar as the people themselves. The Diné, like almost all Native Americans, have suffered under years (centuries) of oppression and persecution from the European-Americans, and I think he is concerned about protecting the Diné from those who are not Diné. You might try just a small edit, like adding the keyword link from Wááshindoon Bikéyah Ałhidadiidzooígíí to Barack Obama, but I suspect he won’t accept even that. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 02:43, 13 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2013 (UTC)
Nonsense. The user managed to make 3 mistakes in one frickin' template that didn't even contain complete sentences. Come back when you know Navajo. English wikipedia would give you a template telling you your language skills are insufficient, tell you to go elsewhere, and would block you if you continued. I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same. We're not your free teachers or tutors. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:44, 13 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2013 (UTC)
- So far the layout looks good, but the font size is tiny. For example, the following line all fits on a single line:
- (diff | łgá) . . NÁ Dlǫ́ʼii łizhiní; 03:04 . . (+394) . . Seb az86556 (bichʼįʼ yáshtiʼ | akʼeʼeeshchínígíí | bichʼą́ą́h ninishááh nisin) (naaltsoos áyiilaa. ('Dlǫ́ʼii łizhiní éí Náhookǫsjí kéyah dah siʼánígíí tʼéiyá hólǫ́; ndaʼałkaahí éí "Mustela —Stephen (> haneʼ) 00:19, 5 Tʼą́ą́chil 2014 (UTC)
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Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2014 (UTC)
btw, I just now happened to notice that the imperialists at meta have long ago switched their delivery to bot in order to sneakily hide notifictions from recent changes and thereby stifle opposition. Monitoring áłah náʼádleehdi is in order. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:11, 19 Biniʼantʼą́ą́tsoh 2014 (UTC)
Yá’át’ééh shí admin deeshłeeł nįsįn háálá nįzhǫ́nį́go Dįnę́k’ehjí na’assoh. -dereknak12 (T’ááshxǫǫdí, tsxį́į́ł hąnę’ ła’ shich’į’ ’ádíílííł.
- Yáʼátʼéé, dereknak12, bikʼiʼdiishtįįh. Let me answer you in English, because for me it is difficult and slow to write in Diné. I don’t write much in Diné bizaad, but I try to check the spelling. I’m better at spelling than writing.
- I think your request is a good idea. But first I have to discuss it with Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556. I will e-mail Seb az86556, but he is away on a job now. I don’t know how soon I can talk to him, but we will talk as soon as possible. —Stephen (> haneʼ) 12:10, 5 Yas Niłtʼees 2016 (UTC)
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